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FeanorsCurse · Mar 30, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

So some goodlooking-females dancing are evil because... well... because they make you think of having sex. (what secures the survival of mankind since over 20000 years.)
And smashing the skulls of bandits (who might just be a product of their enviroment) or some creatures with your war hammer isn't evil because...?

Showing to kill someone with a hammer = OK
Showing someone burning to death = OK
Showing a female dancing in some kind of bikini = BAD

Whatever.
I wouldn't take this "sex/violence-in-computergames-thing" to serious. I won't sleep with the next women i see after watching a hot necromancer-woman dance. And also I won't kill the next person that annoys me just because I killed some virtual characters before.

Kirbie · Mar 30, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave III

I think letting this subject- or at least this thread, and the bad feelings in it- drop is a very good idea. I think we all know we're not going to change the other's opinions, especially with flaming (which is where this is headed), so if we back off and let it settle, we may be able to address it more rationally later.

We all know that's way too late for major code changes (which the filters, as I have them in my head, would involve), and so this discussion is moot on a practical level, at least for now. In the future we might be able to work something out between us to everyone's satisfaction, but as things stand we risk tearing this community apart. Nobody wants that.

Let's just let it go, the other thread included, and work on other things for a while, yeah? ^_^

*ahem* That Gwen sure is a scary little girl, huh? ^_^

Dave III

yeah..i agree
release date less than a month...
im so lucky to found guildwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by Striker Shardale

I think everybody should give each other a hug. Come on...who's with me?

Come on... GROUP HUG!!!

im in

after all...we are all here to help each others out right?
lets show others what "guildwars" community is like(all friendly and helpful people)

Lansing Kai Don · Mar 30, 2005, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave III

I think letting this subject- or at least this thread, and the bad feelings in it- drop is a very good idea. I think we all know we're not going to change the other's opinions, especially with flaming (which is where this is headed), so if we back off and let it settle, we may be able to address it more rationally later.

We all know that's way too late for major code changes (which the filters, as I have them in my head, would involve), and so this discussion is moot on a practical level, at least for now. In the future we might be able to work something out between us to everyone's satisfaction, but as things stand we risk tearing this community apart. Nobody wants that.

Let's just let it go, the other thread included, and work on other things for a while, yeah? ^_^

*ahem* That Gwen sure is a scary little girl, huh? ^_^

Dave III

I agree wholeheartedly, when I posted earlier I meant it in a funny way... after the lecture I laughed till it hurt. In my defense, it really is easy to fix by moving somewhere else or changing districts (kinda similar to switching channels on the t.v. if something offensive comes on). Everyone I hope you have a great gameplaying experience and if you see me don't forget to say hello.

Lansing Kai Don

DM00 · Mar 30, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06

While I can kinda understand where the originator of this thread came from, I have to make a more poinient observation. I also noticed that the originator of this thread didn't say that HE minded the dancing, only the shame from his wife/children seeing it. I also agree that you can switch districts very easily, and after release, this won't be an issue.

The ironic thing of this whole thread is this:

If your wife or child walked by the screen while you were viciously lopping the head off some monster while a fountain of blood erupted (with the appropriate sound effects), and viscera sprayed in all directions turning the screen into a bloodbath of gore, they'd probably keep walking.

I didn't notice a single thread saying that GW is too violent (not that I think GW is either too violent OR too risquee, I actually thought it was quite tame).

Why does American society love gore, but hate nudity? I was born nude, I wasn't born with a 4 foot sword/sawed-off shotgun in my hand...

my $0.02

DM

Ren Falconhand · Mar 30, 2005, 09:10 PM // 21:10

Why does American society love gore, but hate nudity? I was born nude, I wasn't born with a 4 foot sword/sawed-off shotgun in my hand...

That would be a very tricky delivery LoL

Ren

Kirbie · Mar 30, 2005, 09:20 PM // 21:20

i might not be correct...
but according to threads i read, i think people are concerning about limits...

for example...
first person shooter has gore mode on and off
yes..shooting people is violent...but some people might not want to see guts and blood coming out...and body gets chooped off and stuff.

dancing naked, it applies similar rules i think
some people have no problem people dancing naked...
but they might be bit offended if they see naked warrior dancing in front of sitting female character or vise versa.(the thrust dancing thingie)

im not a parent myself...but when i put myself in their shoes...
for example...kids play super mario..
if blood, guts, and body parts comes out of mushroom man(?) or a turtle when mario steps on them... thats questionable
they might be ok for kids to see character with underwears...
but what happens if a character with underwear does thrust thingie in front of sitting female character?...also questionable

i dont know...since im not a parent myself..but it was my estimated thoughts i guess

Lansing Kai Don · Mar 30, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by DM00

While I can kinda understand where the originator of this thread came from, I have to make a more poinient observation. I also noticed that the originator of this thread didn't say that HE minded the dancing, only the shame from his wife/children seeing it. I also agree that you can switch districts very easily, and after release, this won't be an issue.

The ironic thing of this whole thread is this:

If your wife or child walked by the screen while you were viciously lopping the head off some monster while a fountain of blood erupted (with the appropriate sound effects), and viscera sprayed in all directions turning the screen into a bloodbath of gore, they'd probably keep walking.

I didn't notice a single thread saying that GW is too violent (not that I think GW is either too violent OR too risquee, I actually thought it was quite tame).

Why does American society love gore, but hate nudity? I was born nude, I wasn't born with a 4 foot sword/sawed-off shotgun in my hand...

my $0.02

DM

This is a little off-topic, but the reason American Society loves gore and hates nudity is that it doesn't hate nudity? Yeh, that's right, if we hated nudity we wouldn't be the number one distributor of porn. The more releveant question is why do we think it's alright for our children (because hopefully your wife is an adult) to watch/play gorey games but not ones with semi-nude/nudity. To me there are two reasons I would allow one but not the other to my child.

1. I would (and I think this is for every man) try and avoid discussing the topic of nudity and sex to my young child. But, on the other hand, I could tell him/her that the reason blood comes out of the headless man is that the heart is still pumping. Basically, it's an awkwardness thing, the sex talk... every man's worst fear.

2. Gore is obviously wrong (well the stuff that makes gore happen) to do. Easy for the kid to know that I can't go around knockin people's heads off (teaching the value of life isn't difficult). However, teaching your kid that sex and nudity is wrong is very very difficult. How come it's alright to be naked in the bath but not in public? Is there something wrong with being naked? You and mom had to have sex to have me, so I'm wrong to be alive because it is wrong to have sex? Basically, KILLING is WRONG, sex is kinda wrong. So due to difficulty of teaching kinda wrongs, we just hope to have our kids avoid it altogether. Someone correct me if I'm way wrong here, because I have no kids (I am engaged to be married though and just contemplating what it would be like).

Lansing Kai Don

P.S. And once again, before the flamers come out. That this is dependent on the parent's belief system and it is their responsibility to decide what is good for the children. These assumptions discussed were based on MY belief system. Everyone has a different system, and therefore should only relate to mine and not try to tell me why mine is wrong or immoral.

P.P.S. Remember that making decisions based on a belief system is an act of the individual, it just becomes more important (understatement I'm thinking) when you have children. For these decisions also reflect on them and their growth.

Pyxis · Mar 30, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28

GW needs more gore, its pretty weak in the gore department.

Darkmane · Mar 30, 2005, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyxis

GW needs more gore, its pretty weak in the gore department.

Here! Here! .... I second this !

RowanFalar · Mar 30, 2005, 10:48 PM // 22:48

The reason that North American society frowns on nudity and considers it wrong, is because the USA was founded by Puritans.

I myself have no problem with my 2 1/2 year old daughter asking questions about her body, nudity and sex. Sex is a natural, healthy thing to do, as long as it's between two consenting adults. As to when you become an adult is a different topic altogether as most parents of adolescents will tell you.

Loviatar is right. If as a Mom, you have a problem with your children watching the game while you play due to some of its content, then consider not having it in the house. I don't play computer games in front of my daughter, but that's because she's much more fun to play with!

On the other hand, I will not allow her to watch television with commercials, movies that aren't rated G, and anything with gore or violence in it. I find it much more difficult to answer the question "why do people hurt each other Mommy?" than "Why does daddy have a penis and I don't?"

But then, that is strictly my opinion.

jdwoody · Mar 30, 2005, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Quote:

The reason that North American society frowns on nudity and considers it wrong, is because the USA was founded by Puritans.

Not all of North American society, more like a very vocal minority. When the FCC looks at complaints about a program they consider 100 complaints to be significant, but out of 100 million people watching tv it's not a large number at all. Also 99% of the complaints sent to the FCC are by a single organization with a dozen or so members so they can hardly be considered a cross-section of society.

Even the Janet Jackson fiasco was interesting, according to Tivo that 2 seconds was the most rewound and rewatched segment of the Super Bowl by far, nothing even came close. When people are offended by something do they keep watching it over and over again to keep getting offended, that doesn't make sense.

William of Orange · Mar 30, 2005, 11:26 PM // 23:26

thegriffgeeks: Dreamsmith did not flame you, Trexton did not flame you, nobody flamed you. You simply took offense because they did not agree with your view, and in our wonderfully arrogant world that we all live in, if somebody voices an opinion in stark contrast to yours, they're:

A) A**holes.
B) Idiots.
C) Morally Inferior.
D) All of the above.

Everybody follows that same pattern, the toleration for which people have for listening to others opinions and deciding on what angers them is where the discrepency is. I myself have a fairly large tolerance for hearing others arguements; once you hit a point though, then yes, I'll start to think about how unreasonable (a.k.a stupid) you are. So don't take this the wrong way.

Because of the "T" rating, as others have said, whatever is currently in the game was found to be acceptable for children 13 and older by a nationally accredited group of people who have reviewed thousands of other games, so even the showing of boxers is seen as acceptable/not risque. No visual filter will be implemented, and as I said before, once the BWEs end, you will hardly see any naked people dancing around the fire anymore, though there will always be the occasional person who runs up behind you and starts his dance emote, making it seem sexual. The dances in themselves are not sexual (would the devs have put them in if they had been sexual? I don't think so), it's only your perception of the world/your "moral standards" which trigger the response, "Oh my word!! That's degrading/disgusting/improper/sick/nasty/etc.!!"

As others have said, if you come across one such display and find yourself offended by it, then you have a few options:

A) Leave the district.
B) Continue to actually play the game
C) Take a 10 minute break and then come back

In my experiences, it always seems that the people who complain about said displays and want to see things changed are also the ones who end up standing around watching the displays just to talk about how immoral those people are. The obvious thing to do if you see the dances would be to continue moving, and don't stop to stare "in horror" at the display. Go on a quest, travel to your guild hall, start a mission. Just do anything besides standing around and watch it if you find it offensive.

Trexton: I believe you mentioned something about people dancing "nude" in fountains in real life. Am I the only one here who actually knows that they would partake in such an event if the opportunity was provided to them?

Seeing somebody dance naked in a fountain will not harm you for life; you'll fume over it for an hour or so, and then continue to live your life without hardly giving the event a second thought. Stop worrying about the past; you'll never accomplish anything if you can't get over something.

This post is a not intended as a flame to anybody who has laid their heart on the line and posted their opinions in this thread; I'm merely trying to bring a little bit of common sense to the table, and put an end to the bickering amongst people. We're all human beings, and we should show at least some more of civility towards each other, regardless of what we believe.

Most likely this will end up like other posts of mine and generate resentment towards me, but I'll live.

Weezer_Blue · Mar 30, 2005, 11:48 PM // 23:48

If you are offended by a bunch of virtual characters running around in their undies and dancing, then you're probably too old or mature or all around not-fun to play the game.

Jeanette · Mar 31, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26

I read almost all of the posts... There is 1 answer

American society has gone downhill. Far downhill.

Morals and ethics are now a "convenient" item instead of a required one.

Parents try telling people how things should be run, how things should be, why the world is the way that it is, but this isn't true.

The parents can deny how they wish, but honestly, they try sheltering their children from every possible thing they can think of, when in fact, they were doing the same exact thing when they were 14-18 regardless of the fact that they deny it or not. My parents do it, all of my friends parents do it, and some of them actually realize they do it and stopped trying to shelter everything from their kids.

Watching somebody dance in shorts in a pixelated world will not destroy your childs life for all eternity. Nobody's brain is that weak to not be able to watch a dance, no matter how "suggestive" it may be. Shooting somebody in the head watching blood, brains, and matter drop from them in a game will give them what...nightmares for a few nights ? I will admit, if that was real life, or they had a real life experience, there is a reason, but in virtual reality, it is not. Kids grow up. The point of a rating is for mature enough audiences to view the material. It's a game, fake, and virtual, let it stay that way instead of worrying about sheltering the world a bit more. The more you hide things, the worse they get. Thats society, we are the only country in the entire world to shelter everything and sensor everything we can possibly find "offensive"

If you take a look around at all the other countries, true, they may not be as technologically advanced as us, and not have as many weapons, but they have a lot larger mental capacity then Americans. Japan for example, has the most intelligent kids on the planet, and their lives are hidden from nothing, they see famine, death and more than we could ever imagine in their lifetime in reality and gaming/video but at the same time while they are doing calculas in 6th grade (Not an exaggeration, its true) Americans are doing it in 12th grade if at all.

A bit off track but it all relates.

::EDIT:: I don't think anyone brought this up but guess what, the girl on the front cover of the preorder package is a woman who has almost NO shirt on whatsoever, you can plainly see breasts, the only thing missing is her nipples. If anything, you should be arguing over that, not the underwear dances.

Augmento · Mar 31, 2005, 01:49 AM // 01:49

I keep hoping that all of you prudes are joking.

Scizor · Mar 31, 2005, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Very well said Jeanette. I tip my hat to you on a post well typed.

EDIT: Also, Sheltering a child can take away from them growing up "corectly" so to speak. Let your child live and learn so they can function in the real world. Because growing up with "sexually suggestive" or "Violent" things could possibly help your child see the difference in whats right out wrong, or how to act. This is just my opinion on it. Being 16 though, I suppose I shouldn't tell adults how to raise their children.

March Hare · Mar 31, 2005, 01:55 AM // 01:55

This is only people in their underwear, not naked. I f it was full blown nudity and a game designed for kids, then, yes I would be offended as well. But this game is not designed for little kids. This (at least to me) should be a teen rating (as the ESRB rating is not out yet, or at least not that I have seen). With that in mind having people in their underwear seem fine to me.

Keramon · Mar 31, 2005, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Well, I just want to add something that not alot of people seem to have considered.

There are alot of different cultures around the world each with different beliefs and standards.

If a middle-eastern person saw a female dancing anywhere in shorts or any small part of their flesh, would be considered offensive to that culture. (I picked the extreme example).

Does that mean that they are wrong to be offended? I don't think so. Their culture has evolved in that way, and what is morally acceptable to one group of individuals is not necessarily acceptable to another. For once, be prepared to accept that other people have different feelings that are entirely valid to them. To say that someone else is wrong or should be ignored is simply ridiculous and often hides the fact that you can not (or don't want to) see another point of view.

Respect people for their beliefs, don't persecute them for it.

Hey, the world would be a much better place if people sought to understand each other rather than seek moral high or low ground and try and bring everyone to where they stand.

The orginal question was merely, should an option be provided to allow people to have a visual filter. Doubt whether I would use it, but sure ... if that is what would improve their gaming experience, then why not.

Now as to the dancing monkeys ... for me ... it lost alot of its appeal since I see it everywhere. Too bad there is not some other way that people could express themselves.

Loviatar · Mar 31, 2005, 02:23 AM // 02:23

regardless of culture the solution is very simple

if it offends you dont buy it

buy something else that you approve of instead

Scizor · Mar 31, 2005, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Lol yeah, like ultra bust a move and chooose the big blue guy....a face/white sock thing busts out of the blue guys belly button when you win. It looks like a penis. No joke.

View Poll Results: If an option/feature could be added to guild wars, what would help this issue?
Only view fully clothed players.	24	68.57%
Hide player dancing.	15	42.86%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

Mar 30, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06	#84
DM00 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2005	dancing While I can kinda understand where the originator of this thread came from, I have to make a more poinient observation. I also noticed that the originator of this thread didn't say that HE minded the dancing, only the shame from his wife/children seeing it. I also agree that you can switch districts very easily, and after release, this won't be an issue. The ironic thing of this whole thread is this: If your wife or child walked by the screen while you were viciously lopping the head off some monster while a fountain of blood erupted (with the appropriate sound effects), and viscera sprayed in all directions turning the screen into a bloodbath of gore, they'd probably keep walking. I didn't notice a single thread saying that GW is too violent (not that I think GW is either too violent OR too risquee, I actually thought it was quite tame). Why does American society love gore, but hate nudity? I was born nude, I wasn't born with a 4 foot sword/sawed-off shotgun in my hand... my $0.02 DM

Mar 30, 2005, 09:20 PM // 21:20	#86
Kirbie Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005	i might not be correct... but according to threads i read, i think people are concerning about limits... for example... first person shooter has gore mode on and off yes..shooting people is violent...but some people might not want to see guts and blood coming out...and body gets chooped off and stuff. dancing naked, it applies similar rules i think some people have no problem people dancing naked... but they might be bit offended if they see naked warrior dancing in front of sitting female character or vise versa.(the thrust dancing thingie) im not a parent myself...but when i put myself in their shoes... for example...kids play super mario.. if blood, guts, and body parts comes out of mushroom man(?) or a turtle when mario steps on them... thats questionable they might be ok for kids to see character with underwears... but what happens if a character with underwear does thrust thingie in front of sitting female character?...also questionable i dont know...since im not a parent myself..but it was my estimated thoughts i guess Last edited by Kirbie; Mar 30, 2005 at 09:42 PM // 21:42..

Mar 30, 2005, 10:48 PM // 22:48	#90
RowanFalar Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: GWN, Ontario, Canada Guild: Krypton Krew Profession: Me/	Opinion of a Mom The reason that North American society frowns on nudity and considers it wrong, is because the USA was founded by Puritans. I myself have no problem with my 2 1/2 year old daughter asking questions about her body, nudity and sex. Sex is a natural, healthy thing to do, as long as it's between two consenting adults. As to when you become an adult is a different topic altogether as most parents of adolescents will tell you. Loviatar is right. If as a Mom, you have a problem with your children watching the game while you play due to some of its content, then consider not having it in the house. I don't play computer games in front of my daughter, but that's because she's much more fun to play with! On the other hand, I will not allow her to watch television with commercials, movies that aren't rated G, and anything with gore or violence in it. I find it much more difficult to answer the question "why do people hurt each other Mommy?" than "Why does daddy have a penis and I don't?" But then, that is strictly my opinion.

Mar 30, 2005, 11:26 PM // 23:26	#92
William of Orange Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin Guild: Thousand Tigers Apund Ur Head, The Consulate	thegriffgeeks: Dreamsmith did not flame you, Trexton did not flame you, nobody flamed you. You simply took offense because they did not agree with your view, and in our wonderfully arrogant world that we all live in, if somebody voices an opinion in stark contrast to yours, they're: A) Aholes. B) Idiots. C) Morally Inferior. D) All of the above. Everybody follows that same pattern, the toleration for which people have for listening to others opinions and deciding on what angers them is where the discrepency is. I myself have a fairly large tolerance for hearing others arguements; once you hit a point though, then yes, I'll start to think about how unreasonable (a.k.a stupid) you are. So don't take this the wrong way. Because of the "T" rating, as others have said, whatever is currently in the game was found to be acceptable for children 13 and older by a nationally accredited group of people who have reviewed thousands of other games, so even the showing of boxers is seen as acceptable/not risque. No visual filter will be implemented, and as I said before, once the BWEs end, you will hardly see any naked people dancing around the fire anymore, though there will always be the occasional person who runs up behind you and starts his dance emote, making it seem sexual. The dances in themselves are not sexual (would the devs have put them in if they had been sexual? I don't think so), it's only your perception of the world/your "moral standards" which trigger the response, "Oh my word!! That's degrading/disgusting/improper/sick/nasty/etc.!!" As others have said, if you come across one such display and find yourself offended by it, then you have a few options: A) Leave the district. B) Continue to actually play** the game C) Take a 10 minute break and then come back In my experiences, it always seems that the people who complain about said displays and want to see things changed are also the ones who end up standing around watching the displays just to talk about how immoral those people are. The obvious thing to do if you see the dances would be to continue moving, and don't stop to stare "in horror" at the display. Go on a quest, travel to your guild hall, start a mission. Just do anything besides standing around and watch it if you find it offensive. Trexton: I believe you mentioned something about people dancing "nude" in fountains in real life. Am I the only one here who actually knows that they would partake in such an event if the opportunity was provided to them? Seeing somebody dance naked in a fountain will not harm you for life; you'll fume over it for an hour or so, and then continue to live your life without hardly giving the event a second thought. Stop worrying about the past; you'll never accomplish anything if you can't get over something. This post is a not intended as a flame to anybody who has laid their heart on the line and posted their opinions in this thread; I'm merely trying to bring a little bit of common sense to the table, and put an end to the bickering amongst people. We're all human beings, and we should show at least some more of civility towards each other, regardless of what we believe. Most likely this will end up like other posts of mine and generate resentment towards me, but I'll live. Last edited by William of Orange; Mar 30, 2005 at 11:29 PM // 23:29.. Reason: Corrected errors and such

Mar 30, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46	#81
FeanorsCurse Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2005	So some goodlooking-females dancing are evil because... well... because they make you think of having sex. (what secures the survival of mankind since over 20000 years.) And smashing the skulls of bandits (who might just be a product of their enviroment) or some creatures with your war hammer isn't evil because...? Showing to kill someone with a hammer = OK Showing someone burning to death = OK Showing a female dancing in some kind of bikini = BAD Whatever. I wouldn't take this "sex/violence-in-computergames-thing" to serious. I won't sleep with the next women i see after watching a hot necromancer-woman dance. And also I won't kill the next person that annoys me just because I killed some virtual characters before.

Mar 30, 2005, 09:10 PM // 21:10	#85
Ren Falconhand Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Passed out on my Keyboard from lack of sleep from playing GW too much Guild: The Harpers Profession: R/Mo	Why does American society love gore, but hate nudity? I was born nude, I wasn't born with a 4 foot sword/sawed-off shotgun in my hand... That would be a very tricky delivery LoL Ren

Mar 30, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28	#88
Pyxis Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2005 Guild: Heroes Etc... Profession: Mo/W	GW needs more gore, its pretty weak in the gore department.

Mar 30, 2005, 11:48 PM // 23:48	#93
Weezer_Blue Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Just a Box in a Cage Guild: Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]	If you are offended by a bunch of virtual characters running around in their undies and dancing, then you're probably too old or mature or all around not-fun to play the game. __________________

Mar 31, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26	#94
Jeanette Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Masssachusetts	I read almost all of the posts... There is 1 answer American society has gone downhill. Far downhill. Morals and ethics are now a "convenient" item instead of a required one. Parents try telling people how things should be run, how things should be, why the world is the way that it is, but this isn't true. The parents can deny how they wish, but honestly, they try sheltering their children from every possible thing they can think of, when in fact, they were doing the same exact thing when they were 14-18 regardless of the fact that they deny it or not. My parents do it, all of my friends parents do it, and some of them actually realize they do it and stopped trying to shelter everything from their kids. Watching somebody dance in shorts in a pixelated world will not destroy your childs life for all eternity. Nobody's brain is that weak to not be able to watch a dance, no matter how "suggestive" it may be. Shooting somebody in the head watching blood, brains, and matter drop from them in a game will give them what...nightmares for a few nights ? I will admit, if that was real life, or they had a real life experience, there is a reason, but in virtual reality, it is not. Kids grow up. The point of a rating is for mature enough audiences to view the material. It's a game, fake, and virtual, let it stay that way instead of worrying about sheltering the world a bit more. The more you hide things, the worse they get. Thats society, we are the only country in the entire world to shelter everything and sensor everything we can possibly find "offensive" If you take a look around at all the other countries, true, they may not be as technologically advanced as us, and not have as many weapons, but they have a lot larger mental capacity then Americans. Japan for example, has the most intelligent kids on the planet, and their lives are hidden from nothing, they see famine, death and more than we could ever imagine in their lifetime in reality and gaming/video but at the same time while they are doing calculas in 6th grade (Not an exaggeration, its true) Americans are doing it in 12th grade if at all. A bit off track but it all relates. ::EDIT:: I don't think anyone brought this up but guess what, the girl on the front cover of the preorder package is a woman who has almost NO shirt on whatsoever, you can plainly see breasts, the only thing missing is her nipples. If anything, you should be arguing over that, not the underwear dances. Last edited by Jeanette; Mar 31, 2005 at 01:45 AM // 01:45..

Mar 31, 2005, 01:49 AM // 01:49	#95
Augmento Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2005	I keep hoping that all of you prudes are joking.

Mar 31, 2005, 01:49 AM // 01:49	#96
Scizor Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005	Very well said Jeanette. I tip my hat to you on a post well typed. EDIT: Also, Sheltering a child can take away from them growing up "corectly" so to speak. Let your child live and learn so they can function in the real world. Because growing up with "sexually suggestive" or "Violent" things could possibly help your child see the difference in whats right out wrong, or how to act. This is just my opinion on it. Being 16 though, I suppose I shouldn't tell adults how to raise their children. Last edited by Scizor; Mar 31, 2005 at 01:54 AM // 01:54..

Mar 31, 2005, 01:55 AM // 01:55	#97
March Hare Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wonderland Guild: Knights of Ascalon Profession: W/Me	This is only people in their underwear, not naked. I f it was full blown nudity and a game designed for kids, then, yes I would be offended as well. But this game is not designed for little kids. This (at least to me) should be a teen rating (as the ESRB rating is not out yet, or at least not that I have seen). With that in mind having people in their underwear seem fine to me.

Mar 31, 2005, 02:06 AM // 02:06	#98
Keramon Rogue Agent Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Surfers Paradise	Well, I just want to add something that not alot of people seem to have considered. There are alot of different cultures around the world each with different beliefs and standards. If a middle-eastern person saw a female dancing anywhere in shorts or any small part of their flesh, would be considered offensive to that culture. (I picked the extreme example). Does that mean that they are wrong to be offended? I don't think so. Their culture has evolved in that way, and what is morally acceptable to one group of individuals is not necessarily acceptable to another. For once, be prepared to accept that other people have different feelings that are entirely valid to them. To say that someone else is wrong or should be ignored is simply ridiculous and often hides the fact that you can not (or don't want to) see another point of view. Respect people for their beliefs, don't persecute them for it. Hey, the world would be a much better place if people sought to understand each other rather than seek moral high or low ground and try and bring everyone to where they stand. The orginal question was merely, should an option be provided to allow people to have a visual filter. Doubt whether I would use it, but sure ... if that is what would improve their gaming experience, then why not. Now as to the dancing monkeys ... for me ... it lost alot of its appeal since I see it everywhere. Too bad there is not some other way that people could express themselves. __________________ Keramon :cool:

Mar 31, 2005, 02:23 AM // 02:23	#99
Loviatar Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Feb 2005	regardless of culture the solution is very simple if it offends you dont buy it buy something else that you approve of instead

Mar 31, 2005, 02:31 AM // 02:31	#100
Scizor Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005	Lol yeah, like ultra bust a move and chooose the big blue guy....a face/white sock thing busts out of the blue guys belly button when you win. It looks like a penis. No joke.